Everyone is invited to join this heated debate...I would love to hear both sides of this issue from Conservatives and Liberals both. I believe that liberals contradict themselves when they say they are Christian but do not live to the virtues.How can a liberal be a Christian at the same time?
I appreciate your viewpoint. Liberals simply say, ';Let go and let God'; deal with those people who would not live a virtuous life. (Yes, including themselves) No matter how hard we try, as Christians, we cannot change anyone. Each person has to make the decision to choose Christ for themselves. There is good and evil in the world. God says: ';choose you this day whom ye will serve ; (Joshua 24:15). The key is that God gives man FREE will to choose. Then, He gives us all the reasons why we should choose His ways. But, He never FORCES His will upon us. Liberals simply allow people to choose for themselves, instead of requiring people to conform; you know, more like Christ did it.How can a liberal be a Christian at the same time?
I'm not sure of which ';virtues'; you are referring to specifically, but can offer comment on virtues that I believe in very strongly...
';Judge not lest thee be judged';... to me that means that anyone who has faith in God would also trust God to handle judgment and to certainly not assume that God had ';out sourced'; judgment to me or anyone else.
Faith is a very personal and private matter... it's not to be legislated, nor used to legislate. Bragging about faith is similar to bragging about salary... it's just not polite. Actions do indeed speak louder than words.
Because Liberals are good, decent, honest, brave, ethical American Patriots with IQs over 75...
The opposite of conservatives.
Thou shalt not kill, yet conservatives are pro-war and pro-death penalty.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor, yet look all the conservative lies that conservatives spout about liberals.
Thou shalt not commit adultry, yet conservatives are constantly getting busted for sex with boys.
Only conservatives and liberals can answer? How about a dem's view on the subject?
I am a moderate dem and a evangelical christian. I believe in a woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her body and her future and her present. I don't think anyone should tell her what to do in those areas. I don't think religion has a place in our government. We should not legislate on religion. Period. We would end up like the Taliban. Divorce would be illegal, gambling, drinking, smoking and swearing would all be against the law. According to my Bible anyway. By the way, my Bible says we should not judge and we should help the poor, young, old and sick. Why do the conservative right conveniently leave that part out? If we are to legislate by our religion, (pro-choice is murder according to the Bible) why are they so against social services or I should say, they are against funding social services. That isn't very Christian like is it?
Easy. Jesus would be a liberal. Liberals and Christians believe in: helping your fellow man, lifting up those who have less than you do, living your life with the golden rule, not judging someone by their job title or way of making a living, throwing greedy money lenders out of the financial temples (or regulating them), personal sacrifice for the good of all, God is love (not money), praying for mankind and peace instead of for a new Escalade, peace instead of war, not murdering people while calling it capital punishment, etc. I could go on all day.
Many people who call themselves Christian are greedy, self-centered, prejudiced, racist, homophobic and materialistic. Anyone who thinks those are the qualities and virtues of Jesus must be reading a different Bible from
i believe that conservatives contradict themselves when they say they are christian. what do liberals stand for open mindedness and inclusiveness, conservatives (as it stands on the rep platform) anti-civil rights, exclusiveness, everyone has to have the same lifestyle as they do.
who was jesus? he was an outcast who associated with the dregs of society, sure he condemned what they did, but he ACCEPTED them, which is what liberals do. they want fair rights for all, conservatives divide ppl
It's easy. What is it about ';Who so ever'; do you not understand? We believe in the core values taught by Jesus. Care for the poor, the sick, the disabled and the children. Loving our neighbors and our enemies, turning the other cheek especially if doing so causes little harm and diminishes your enemies effectiveness. In fact, the sermon on the mount is essentially a liberal manifesto.
As for the bible, it says nothing whatsoever about abortion. The old testament does call for a fine to be levied for causing a miscarriage (when the punishment for adultery was stoning to death - but then Jesus warned about casting stones and having lust in ones heart was the same as adultery.)
And as for Homosexuality, Jesus was completely silent on the matter
You apparently have a very restrictive view of what it means to be a Christian. Not all Christians share that view. I would argue that Jesus' teaching of charity, peace and love (including love of disfavored groups, such as homosexuals), would make him a liberal.
Being a Christian , doesnt mean I cant think for myself. I am my brothers keeper, have different opinions of abortion, gays, and some of the more conservative beliefs, but that doesnt make me a non christian, or that I am contradiciting myself. I look at things differantly, and still love Jesus.
Easy... that's all I have to say.
Politics and spirituality are two very different things. Anyone who thinks that their political philosophy is sanctioned by God is arrogant and does not practice the tolerance that Christ (and Buddha for that matter) taught.
Anybody can be a christian, it's not like there is a skills test involved. Further, anyone can simply claim to be a christian, even if they don't uphold such a lifestyle, like most conservatives
Quite easily, thank you very much.
Belief in God and Jesus does not preclude belief in liberal values. In fact, if one follows the Bible, the liberal ideals and values follow it more closely than the conservative ones.
easy - because Jesus was a hard-core Liberal
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I believe conservatives and liberals both contradict themselves when it comes to this.
This is the beauty of Christianity. If you accept Jesus as you savior, you are saved.
Please enlighten us as to who among us does live ';to the virtues.'; Who are the people who live their entire lives 100% in accordance with Christian virtue? I would love to know about these sinless individuals.
Exactly, no rational sane person can believe in a religion.
How many sane people do you know who mutter into their hands and talk to invisible beings?
Because your political party is the one you most ';closely'; align yourself with. It does not mean that you are 100% for every single ideology of said party.
Let's leave religion out of the politics. The Bible was used to support slavery.
Is it true that the Christian-based Constitution considered an African less than a human?
God doesn't care about you political views, if you love God and are truly sorry and repent for all your sins in the end, your a Christian
Personally I'm a liberal and I'm raised in the Christian fate.
It all comes down to a person's definition of ';Christian...';
HOW ABOUT JESUS HIMSELF!!!
He pulled it off pretty well... being that he had some pretty liberal stances.
how can we integrate church %26amp; state?!
Liberal ideas in Christianity are not even remotely similar to the Liberal ideology of this current world.
Christ taught that women and men have equal value, which was very liberal concerning the time. But Christ never taught that murdering a child is a woman's right. He taught personal responsibility, accountability, and did not accept excuses for sin. He commanded repentance, not tolerance. Jesus Christ teaches us to love our neighbor as ourselves, and love our enemies and not to Judge/condemn someone for their sins, because we are sinners as well, but we are to be discerning and we can of course judge an action such as abortion and homosexuality, and fornication, etc, as being wrong according to God's Word. That's why we have Scripture and Christ taught the Spirit of the Law. At the time, these ideas were very liberal. They were not Liberal according to the standards of today's Liberalism which desires not to offend anyone regardless of their actions or beliefs. Christ was liberal according to God's Truth, and if someone is living contrary to God's Truth, then God's Word will certainly offend them because it shows them the error of their ways.
Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is their Savior and follows Him, are saved by His Grace, however, if a person holds to modern liberalism, condoning pre-marital sex, homosexuality, abortion, embryonic stem cell research, etc., then their understanding and discernment is certainly in question and their level of maturity as a believer is certainly in question as well. This does not mean they are not saved, it means they are in danger.
Believing that abortion is a woman's right, or that using embryonic stem cells is an acceptable practice, or that homosexuality is not condemned Biblically is denying God's Word. It is this kind of compromise of the Truth of God's Word that can lead far too many away from Christ.
God formed us in the womb and knew us before we were ever born, this does in no way imply that a fetus is not a life, is not a child. God is well aware of the past, present and future of all human life, before the womb all the way to the grave and beyond.
Jeremiah 1:5
';Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.';
God is all knowing, and His knowledge of every one of us applies to all human life as a whole, even before the baby is in the womb as God said to Jeremiah, God made us for His purpose, and unless a person believes God is not capable of this concerning all people, then it proves emphatically that abortion is murder and any destruction of embryo's for research is also murder. More info, the egg is living, and the sperm is living. When they combine, they do not become ';undead'; they remain alive and become one complete human life form...let simmer for 9 months...baby!
Liberal ';Christian'; churches are trying to justify homosexuality as an acceptable practice for Christians. This is outrageous and blatanty anti-Christian. Unholy relations of men with men and women with women has been condemned from the beginning. Sodom and Gomorrah is the most direct and obvious example. The entirely platonic relationships with Johnathan and David, and Ruth and Naomi, being used to promote homosexuality is an extreme perversion of Scripture and is blasphemous.
Christians who believe pornography is acceptable are not following Christ in this and are extremely mislead. Christ taught that to even look at a woman with lust is adultery.
Matthew 5:27-28
27. ';You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'28. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Christians who believe that having sex before marriage is acceptable is denying Biblical teaching. God made Adam and Eve for one another, presiding over the very first marriage relationship to show us how we are to live as man and wife and become one flesh. If you have sex with someone and then decide not to marry them, you commit adultery, because the result is that you slept with someone else's spouse. God's Commandment regarding adultery is very clear.
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
Fornication is any sex outside of marriage.
Modern political Liberalism as it stands today is entirely unlike the liberal teaching of Christ, and anyone who believes in Christ and still holds to these modern liberal ideals is spiritually foundering and in danger.
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Christ teaches us to love one another, and this means we love all people regardless of the sins they practice, or have committed, or will commit: murderers, rapists, thieves, liars, fornicators, homosexuals, adulterers, robbers, even molesters, etc, because we are ';all'; guilty of breaking God's Law, but Christ never once ';condoned'; any sin, which liberal Christians today support: abortion and homosexuality and pornography and pre-marital sex, etc, or any combination of.
He loves us, but He hates our sins. We are ';NEVER'; to condone any sinful practice in the name of tolerance and love. To do so is not love and is in fact sin itself because it is a denial of Christ's teaching.
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I see a lot of rhetorical statements with no Scriptural support for these modern liberal views. If an ideological view does not hold up to the scrutiny of Scripture, it is a false teaching. Period.
I pray all will examine themselves according to God's Word, not a vague feeling or emotion that cannot be trusted.
Liberals have been able to find a ';Christian'; church that condones gays and abortion.
I think they're Episcopals.
And Jesus would not condone gays and abortion.
He would love the sinners, but expect them to repent and correct their sins.
It is not that hard. All you have to do is be a big Hypocrite. And Liberals are proud of their Hypocrisy.
If you vote for an abortion candidate - you are not a Christian.
No matter what little mind game you play within your own head to try to justify your actions, you are wrong
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